Anonymous asked:

look as a vegan and a rape survivor it really isn't okay to hijack a post about human rape to talk about the suffering of animals. Not necessarily disagreeing with the content of you post but just please discuss that in a different space, it is upsetting and echoes the way many survivors are dismissed and silenced. I understand that you have the purest of intentions but that was profoundly upsetting to me, please consider how that could potentially make survivors feel before you post.

socialjusticevegan:

pukexskywalker:

bigot-smasher:

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1) Not every conversation about rape has to be about all rape victims. Different groups are targets of sexual assault for different reasons and in different ways and it is perfectly acceptable to focus on one group and how it affects them. There are also times when it’s important to look at the wider culture and how things intersect, but that doesn’t mean that it’s okay to enter into a discussion about the violations of one group and force it to change into a discussion of others whose experiences are significantly different.

2) The forced insemination and violation of nonhumans’ genitals and reproductive systems that occur as a part of the animal industry is incredibly different from what happens when humans sexually assault each other (or individual nonhumans outside of the institutionalized framework). Neither act is less abhorrent than the other, but trying to claim that they can be talked about in the same conversation as if they are the same thing is unhelpful to the victims of both. There is a reason that we have special words for sexual violence to separate it from all other forms of violation. These acts are different to us because of human cultural and societal ideas about sex that change how we experience such an event within those setting.

Nonhumans in factory farms, on the other hand, experience countless violations to their body, each of them traumatizing. There is no significant reason to separate the routine abuse that involves their genitals and discuss it as significant in its own right compared to the routine abuse of any other part of their bodies. Yes, rape is about power, but not everything that is about power is rape. Separating out these particular acts from amongst the multitudes of horrors that nonhuman animals endure and trying to insert them into a conversation where things like victim blaming or acquaintance rape are relevant is absurd and is not helping anyone. Picking this one particular type of violation because it fits the technical definition of something that is experienced by oppressed humans and using it to barge into conversations about those oppressed groups in order to talk about a completely different form of oppression with different causes and different effects is derailing and oppressive.

Would you bring up dehorning or branding in a conversation about rape? If not, why do you think it’s relevant to talk about castration? Or, if you don’t consider castration to be sexual assault, why would that not count, but forced insemination would? What about mulesing? That gets awfully close to the genitals, doesn’t it? Or would that only count for the female sheep because their vulvas are involved, but the same act would not be sexual assault for a male sheep because their genitals don’t get in the way, even though it’s done to both for the exact same reason? How is any one of these things meaningfully different from the others, to those who are experiencing them?

Also, what overlap do you see between the solutions to human and institutionalized nonhuman sexual abuse? Do you really think that the tactics used to fight against victim blaming, to teach people about informed consent, or to support human victims of rape are going to somehow also help dairy cows being artificially inseminated? Or do you think that closing down factory farms and rescuing turkeys from forced ejaculation is going help the humans who experience sexual assault because of sexism, racism, ableism, ageism, transphobia, biphobia, homophobia and so on? What exactly do you think is being accomplished by jumping into conversations to claim that cows are raped too, other than making things harder for members of groups who are already abused and ignored?

I am not saying that there are never times when the experiences of institutionalized animal abuse could be relevant or included in a respectful manner, but the vast majority of the time it is not and I am constantly seeing it brought up in a way that silences and shames survivors while ignoring hugely important differences. Attempting to fight one oppression while contributing to another is counterproductive and needs to stop.

this particular discussion, though, is in fact about all rape victims as this wasn’t a discussion born out of some random reblog, it was a response to this post about digital rape (this is were all your claims of intrusion and “barging in” kinda fall flat on their face). nonhuman animals happen to be disproportionally affected by this specific form of rape, allthough not exclusively. 

strawman much?

2) The forced insemination and violation of nonhumans’ genitals and reproductive systems that occur as a part of the animal industry is incredibly different from what happens when humans sexually assault each other (or individual nonhumans outside of the institutionalized framework). Neither act is less abhorrent than the other, but trying to claim that they can be talked about in the same conversation as if they are the same thing is unhelpful to the victims of both. There is a reason that we have special words for sexual violence to separate it from all other forms of violation. These acts are different to us because of human cultural and societal ideas about sex that change how we experience such an event within those setting. 

pukexskywalker:

as a survivor, why do you feel like rape victims and conversations about them do not belong in spaces meant for, and owned by, rape victims? why do you feel like mentioning rape victims is dismissive of other rape victims or even silencing them? 

as a vegan, how do you justify elevating human suffering above that of nonhumans based solely on arbitrary species membership?

Nonhumans in factory farms, on the other hand, experience countless violations to their body, each of them traumatizing. There is no significant reason to separate the routine abuse that involves their genitals and discuss it as significant in its own right compared to the routine abuse of any other part of their bodies. 

the “incredible differences” between human and nonhuman rape end when you stop artificially constricting claims of nonhuman rape to what happens in the dairy industry, or any other industry that breeds via “forced insemination”. that’s only the tip of the iceberg.

as i’ve mentioned before - there. are. whole. communities. built upon the mutual desire to rape nonhumans and watch them get raped. there are actual animal brothels. places where humans award each other with respect and admiration for raping especially “exotic” animals such as dolphins. look it up if you must.

and suddenly we have people who have fetishized this kind of “power play” to hell and back, people who literally get off on violating and raping helpless victims.

sidenote: of course this includes curious folk from bdsm/kink-communities looking to add more “flavor” to their twisted endeavours. anything but vanilla amirite?

so people who might otherwise rape other people have found themselves being able to indulge in their predatory desires without any of the consequences. who cares? it’s just animals, disposable, use ‘em then throw ‘em away and buy new ones. 

sure, it’s completely fine to focus on single groups of victims, i agree. except that’s precisely what we’ve been doing all along.

we are and have always been focussing solely on humans. 

there is not a single discussion about animal rape that isn’t infested with folks like you claiming animal suffering somehow denigrates their human oppressors and therefore shouldn’t be talked about ever. 

that is precisely the point. i see activists preach the importance of finding the “appropiate time and place” to talk about these so called “intersections” (lest we call things by their name right?) while exclusively talking about human victims, all the time. everywhere. this is gatekeeping and you oughtta stop that shit. 

the notion of nonhumans being legit rape victims remains inappropriate, a mere technical coincidence, to humans, therefore the “right” time to talk about them doesn’t exist.

going in circles isn’t progress.

i’ve always maintained that, the different motivations that perps have prior to brutalizing their victims are ultimately meaningless. whether it was done out of sheer powerlust, sadism, whether it happened inside or outside of an institutionalized framework, or for mere capital literally doesn’t change the horror and suffering.

rapists are rapists, rape is rape. calling for a different terminology when talking about animal rape does nothing but reinforce the existing species bias. humans do not have the interpretational sovereignty on this horrific concept. 

"Yes, rape is about power, but not everything that is about power is rape."

of course, not everything that’s about power is rape. but everything that is rape, is, in fact, rape. regardless of the perps motive or the victims species. 

"Separating out these particular acts from amongst the multitudes of horrors that nonhuman animals endure and trying to insert them into a conversation where things like victim blaming or acquaintance rape are relevant is absurd and is not helping anyone."

au contraire, rape knows no species barrier and accepting this fosters empathy. keeping actual victims out of discussions among or about them is what’s truly absurd and unhelpful.

and since neither acquaintance rape nor victim blaming are required in order to be considered a rape victim or something that happens to all rape victims, i fail to see why you brought that up. 

interestingly enough, the ever so common, knee-jerk “they were bred for this” is Grade A victim blaming.

"Picking this one particular type of violation because it fits the technical definition of something that is experienced by oppressed humans and using it to barge into conversations about those oppressed groups in order to talk about a completely different form of oppression with different causes and different effects is derailing and oppressive."

ugh, this is such a vile paragraph. it implies that a) humans were the original victims of rape and therefore b) every victim, who was unlucky enough to be born nonhuman, is unjustly piggybacking on a “technical definition”, and discussing their plight somehow oppresses humans.

so, hypothetically speaking (since animals are in fact raped as i am typing this, regardless of your response) what is the fundamental difference between humans and nonhumans that prevents (or saves?) nonhumans from actually being raped? 

"Would you bring up dehorning or branding in a conversation about rape? If not, why do you think it’s relevant to talk about castration? Or, if you don’t consider castration to be sexual assault, why would that not count, but forced insemination would? What about mulesing? That gets awfully close to the genitals, doesn’t it? Or would that only count for the female sheep because their vulvas are involved, but the same act would not be sexual assault for a male sheep because their genitals don’t get in the way, even though it’s done to both for the exact same reason? How is any one of these things meaningfully different from the others, to those who are experiencing them? Also, what overlap do you see between the solutions to human and institutionalized nonhuman sexual abuse? Do you really think that the tactics used to fight against victim blaming, to teach people about informed consent, or to support human victims of rape are going to somehow also help dairy cows being artificially inseminated? Or do you think that closing down factory farms and rescuing turkeys from forced ejaculation is going help the humans who experience sexual assault because of sexism, racism, ableism, ageism, transphobia, biphobia, homophobia and so on? What exactly do you think is being accomplished by jumping into conversations to claim that cows are raped too, other than making things harder for members of groups who are already abused and ignored?”

since i did not limit my definition of rape to the processes of the meat, milk and egg industries, nor gender, i see no reason to respond to this. the “jumping/barging into conversations” bit was dealt with earlier as well, so.

if mentioning one group of victims automatically puts down, oppresses, silences, erases another group of victims, instead of building bridges between them, helping them empathize with one another (across the species barrier) and discover the common roots of their oppression then justice must be a zero sum game invalidating itself.

everybody fend for themselves!

"I am not saying that there are never times when the experiences of institutionalized animal abuse could be relevant or included in a respectful manner,"

institutionalized animal abuse is welfarist lingo. as if all animals have to worry about in their lives is not to be abused when they are systemically and hopelessly oppressed from birth. just about every argument you’ve made so far is steeped in implicit or explicit anthropocentrism, you claim that “neither is worse than the other” but still maintain that human oppression and suffering is the real deal while animals can consider themselves lucky if they are ever “respectfully” integrated in your vision of justice. i happen to disagree. wholly. 

"Attempting to fight one oppression while contributing to another is counterproductive and needs to stop."

check yourself before you wreck yourself.

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septemberism94:

why test on animals when there are prisons full of rapists

because the prisons aren’t actually full of rapists

the rapists run free and the prisons are full of people charged with weed possession

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Non human rape.

vegan-because-fuck-you:

People will fight tooth and nail to ensure that what non human animals endure, isn’t referred to as rape. Yet they are not very consistent in their oppose.

Take for instance when a story breaks about Orangutans being used as prostitutes, no one has much of an…

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Anonymous asked:

look as a vegan and a rape survivor it really isn't okay to hijack a post about human rape to talk about the suffering of animals. Not necessarily disagreeing with the content of you post but just please discuss that in a different space, it is upsetting and echoes the way many survivors are dismissed and silenced. I understand that you have the purest of intentions but that was profoundly upsetting to me, please consider how that could potentially make survivors feel before you post.

pukexskywalker:

bigot-smasher:

pukexskywalker:

as a survivor, why do you feel like rape victims and conversations about them do not belong in spaces meant for, and owned by, rape victims? why do you feel like mentioning rape victims is dismissive of other rape victims or even silencing them? 

as a vegan, how do you justify elevating human suffering above that of nonhumans based solely on arbitrary species membership?

Oh, come the fucking fuck on, this is so obviously carnist induced bullshit, seeing as no one in the western world would claim talks about men raping dogs wouldn’t be allowed in discussion of rape in rape culture.

Everyone would aknowledge what a big fucking deal that shit is and how the dog must suffer from it, but god forbid we’re talking about institutionalized rape where 99% of humanity gain from, then it’s fucking derailment and an insult to human rape victims & survivors?! Because cows have no emotional world and can’t understand their boundaries are overstepped in the worst way possible?!

Fuck off, and take your “I’m a human survivor, I have a right to silence non-human survivors” bullshit with you.

yes, there is photographic evidence of humans raping animals, from “pets” to “farm animals” as well as all other arbitrary, human made categories all over the fucking internet, literally metric fucktons of it.

whether the rapists do “it” to fulfill their sexual desire or because they want to drink milk or eat veal, or maximize profits, does not matter, it all boils down to exertion of power.

this is what rape is. rape is about power, remember?

if only a single picture of a man raping a contrained dog/cat ever surfaced here on tumblr, there would be a shitstorm of astronomical proportions with petitions and lynchmobs and only few people would deny the “pets’” victimhood, or even the fact that what happened to them is rape.

there is even a big chance a case like this gets shown on tonights news.

but due to what can only be referred to as cognitive dissonance or moral schizophrenia, only a handful of people (relatively speaking) are outraged at the sight of, say, a cow being artificially inseminated for her milk, meat and children. or mink being vaginally/anally electrocuted. 

because, you know, “that’s not rape - it’s tasty.”

also “leather and fur are luxurious and look cool, have you ever heard of kanye west? lol”.

pukexskywalker:

oh, how i long for the day when anarchists & other anthropo-fauxgressives will finally stop this inane, obscenely speciesist bullshit so that we may finally act in unison in order to truly liberate all. 

cops are scum, of course, they are the racist, power-tripping enforcers of the ruling class. we are drowning in evidence of their systemic corruption and we see the role they play in the grand scheme of capitalism. they are rapists, abusers and murderers. the institutions and mindsets they uphold, are rotten to the core.

no discussion.

so why exactly do you liken them to pigs? what is the point, what is the meaning of this comparison? what kind of radical tactic is this supposed to be, what goal are you trying to achieve with this? 

in order to make for an effective insult, pigs would have to be worse than cops in some way, what would that be exactly?

and why the fuck would ANYONE (claiming to be) fighting against oppression and hierarchical subjugation see no problem with further denigrating victims who have been deliberately and forcefully put at rock bottom for the last 10.000 some years under human dominance? 

a group consisting of billions of victims who, from the moment of birth, are forced to “live” their lives inside of a generation-spanning perpetuum mobile of suffering, torture and murder. a complex consisting of publicly sanctioned concentration camps linked to multiple subsequent stations of brutal processing with the sole goal of commodifying, sanitizing and selling inequality, exploitation and death.   

declared unintelligent, unworthy and insentient. reduced to objects, stripped of autonomy, subjugated in every way imaginable by human apathy, greed, habit and “culture”. slaves who are forced to work, forced to feed, forced to breed and forced to endure unfathomable brutality (including but not limited to mutilation, castration, rape, live skinning, boiling and dismemberment, kidnapping and murder). lynched for entertainment, sports, taste or tradition. mocked, ridiculed, invisibilized and erased. 

every.

single.

day. 

their subjugation deemed natural, neccessary and normal.

have we recognized a pattern yet?

all of the above are obvious red flags, historically known and repeated characteristics of oppression. none of this is new, but well conducted, well organized praxis.

you fucking hypocrites denounce human oppression specifically for (but not limited to) its dehumanizing aspects whenever you come across them, and then you turn around and gleefully use them yourself to insult human scumbags. you are supposed to know that (and why) hierarchies are oppressive, you are supposed to be able to identify positions of power at first fucking glance and yet you continually fail to see the most obvious one of them all:

your own. 

you remain deliberately ignorant towards the meaning of dehumanization itself - ignorant towards the original oppression giving power to dehumanizing practice in the first place: non-human oppression.

you’re throwing real victims under the bus to create a fun little slogan to print and sell on cool anarchist patches and merchandise, a symbol to propagandize. to get a few laughs, maybe even to get a point across that could easily be illustrated without perpetuating oppressive connotations and prejudice towards those who are already doomed beyond hope.

you criticize this sort of behavior all the time on other fronts, yet you have no problem to indulge yourself in it, should it happen to fit your agenda. in accordance with your internalized cognitive dissonance, you fail to recognize the real victims and the harm you cause.

it seems as though, among a myriad of critical analyses and diverse tactics for human social justice and liberation, the only thing you can universally agree upon is that nonhumans are generally tasty and not worthy of being considered otherwise.

god forbid their plight be framed as an emancipatory issue. 

it’s just fucking pigs / bacon / pork ~ so who gives a shit, right?

i do. and so should you, because justice must not be trumped by mass-delusions of human superiority. it’s either freedom for all or freedom for none, not freedom for some. 

i refuse to fight alongside anthropocentric, speciesist, carnist, reactionary piece of shit fauxgressives who contradict the need for intersectionality they preach and strive to reserve justice for humans only. 

stop doing this shit, go vegan and stay vegan or fuck right off.

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angelclark:

VIDEO: Man Dies After 5 Police Jump Him — Chokehold Him For Selling Untaxed Cigarettes 

A Staten Island man died Thursday after police placed him in a chokehold as they attempted to arrest him for selling untaxed cigarettes.

According to authorities, Eric Garner, 43, went into cardiac arrest and died at Richmond University Medical Center following the arrest that was filmed by several witnesses.   

In the video, Eric can  be seen telling police that he had not been selling cigarettes, repeatedly saying, ” I didn’t sell anything,” before insisting, “I’m minding my own business, please leave me alone.”

After a standoff, five officers tackled the 400-pound asthmatic Ericwith one placing him in a chokehold – and wrestled him to the ground as they attempted to put handcuffs on him.

As Eric lay on the ground, with one officer pushing his head into the pavement, he can be heard saying, “I can’t breath. I can’t breath,” over and over.

As the video ends, Eric appears to be unconscious as police clear onlookers while waiting awaiting paramedics.

According to his family, Eric, a married father with six children and two grandchildren, suffered from asthma.

“When I kissed my husband this morning, I never thought it would be for the last time,” Eric’s wife, Esaw, told reporters.

Police stated that Eric has been arrested multiple times for selling untaxed cigarettes, and records show he was due in court in October on three charges, including pot possession and selling untaxed cigarettes.

Witnesses at the scene claim Eric was breaking up a fight when police arrived, with Eric’s family stating that he didn’t have any cigarettes on him or in his car at the time of his death.

“They’re covering their asses; he was breaking up a fight. They harassed and harassed my husband until they killed him,” Eric’s wife said.

Within hours after Eric’s arrest and death, residents in the area hung handwritten posters on telephone poles near the scene with phrases like “no justice, no peace” and “Another innocent black man has been killed by police brutality. The NYPD must be stopped!”

http://noarmycanstopanidea.com/video-man-dies-after-5-police-jump-him-chokehold-him-for-selling-untaxed-cigarettes/

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Anonymous asked:

why is "hate breeds more hate" a bad thing to say?

lookatthisfuckingoppressor:

Oh so many reasons.

1) it equates the anger of the oppressed to the hate of their oppressors.
2) it blames oppressed groups for their oppression. Bigotry doesn’t exist because people hate bigots. It exists because oppressed people oppose it. It exists because of bigots and because of privileged folks being complicit or tacitly condoning systems of oppression.
3) it’s fundamentally untrue. Hatred of oppression doesn’t lead to more hatred; it leads to progress.
4) it is used to attack any attempt by oppressed people to obtain liberation. Point out that something or someone is repulsively racist and all of a sudden you’re “breeding more hate”.

It’s a fundamental misrepresentation of reality that blames victims and excuses fucked up behavior.

I’ve gone through the massive pain of posting from my shitty ass phone, which always has bad reception, to add that, if it wasn’t clear already, the same goes for ALL variations of “you can’t fight fire with fire”. Not the least because firemen actually fight certain kinds of fires with fire. also, fuck yeah, violence can stop violence. fuck your pacifist dogma.

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Anonymous asked:

why is "hate breeds more hate" a bad thing to say?

lookatthisfuckingoppressor:

Oh so many reasons.

1) it equates the anger of the oppressed to the hate of their oppressors.
2) it blames oppressed groups for their oppression. Bigotry doesn’t exist because people hate bigots. It exists because oppressed people oppose it. It exists because of bigots and because of privileged folks being complicit or tacitly condoning systems of oppression.
3) it’s fundamentally untrue. Hatred of oppression doesn’t lead to more hatred; it leads to progress.
4) it is used to attack any attempt by oppressed people to obtain liberation. Point out that something or someone is repulsively racist and all of a sudden you’re “breeding more hate”.

It’s a fundamental misrepresentation of reality that blames victims and excuses fucked up behavior.

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Anonymous asked:

Is it ok if I only eat free range eggs from my neighbors garden

tofutits:

veganbutt:

Stop fucking coming to me to be the token vegan that tells you its a-ok to exploit animals as long as you do it right you aren’t gonna fucking find it here

Wow I didnt know you could grow eggs out of a garden

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austinmcmann224:

How dumb can vegans get

Plants have feelings too. I’m sure they don’t appreciate being torn apart and smashed to make your disgusting tofu burgers

They have families

They have lives just like you and me

Actually, no.

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carnism-is:

austinmcmann224:

How the fuck do you eat vegan

There’s literally nothing on this planet that could possibly not come from animals. Plants are animals, so you can’t eat anything they produce (technically).

Non-Vegans: 1

Vegans: 0

"Plants are animals."

Are you trolling or did you sleep during every science class you took from 1st grade and on?

make an educated guess

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